Posts by Island Man

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Matt Dillahunty and Tracie Harris Respond to JW Caller's Arguments For God's Existence

by Island Man in

in this recent episode of the atheist experience "john from london" calls in to the show to give his arguments for god's existence.

matt and tracie use logic to point out the flaws in his arguments - very weak arguments!.

near the end of the conversation, john starts talking about the un turning on religion.

Island Man

Vidiot, I think the new --Imitate--X Speculate Their Faith book currently being studied at kingdom hall congregation "bible" study includes attempts to debunk some of the arguments of skeptics. It is apparent that this publication has as one of its main goals, countering the increasing modern skepticism toward the fanciful stories found in the bible.

More and more young JWs are waking up and leaving, not just JWs, but the bible and theism period. The org appears to be attempting to counter this. This year's drama was also about countering skepticism.

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For the Supporters of Those Who Love Jehovah

by lovesjehovah in

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friends

i am jehovah's witness, despite some of the questionable teachings, crimes, and other outlandish behaviors of specific people affiliated with the religion.

i know that my relationship with jehovah is not influenced by any outside factors.

i do not condone any crime.

Island Man

Qualities that I love about Jehovah:

I love that Jehovah told the Israelites that they lacked his backing due to Achan's sin only after they had gone out to battle Ai and suffered defeat and loss of lives.
I love that Jehovah considered Lot, a man who was willing to hand over his daughters to be gang-raped by a crowd, to be a righteous man.
I love that Jehovah behaves exactly like a mobster - offering to protect people from the destructive harm he will cause to them if they pay him off with worship and obedience.
I love that Jehovah put his own glory and fame above the lives of the many innocent Egyptian children that died due to Jehovah's fostering of Pharaoh's hard-heartedness for the sake of having an excuse to inflict woes on the nation of Egypt to glorify his own name.
I love that Jehovah, who is in need of nothing and can be harmed by no one, asks mortal finite beings to put fulfilling his wishes above love for their family and their very lives.
I love how Jehovah is supposed to be a supremely intelligent, wise and moral being, yet behaves as a petty, jealous, insecure, narcissist, requiring that others worship him.

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Matt Dillahunty and Tracie Harris Respond to JW Caller's Arguments For God's Existence

by Island Man in

in this recent episode of the atheist experience "john from london" calls in to the show to give his arguments for god's existence.

matt and tracie use logic to point out the flaws in his arguments - very weak arguments!.

near the end of the conversation, john starts talking about the un turning on religion.

Island Man

In this recent episode of The Atheist Experience "John from London" calls in to the show to give his arguments for God's existence.

Matt and Tracie use logic to point out the flaws in his arguments - very weak arguments!

Near the end of the conversation, John starts talking about the UN turning on religion. Only then is it clear that John is either a JW or has some kind of JW connection. But Matt isn't interested in hearing John's "conspiracy theory". LOL.

The show is more than an hour long. The segment with John's call is about 26 minutes long starting from about the 00:36:00 mark and running to about 01:02:00.

Enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Ggdf0fK3o

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Jehovah's Witnesses exposed on a national television show in Jamaica

by Island Man in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lszimugtlg8

Island Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSzimUgTLG8

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Damn Satan at it again tampering with evidence!

by notsurewheretogo in

jeepers...we all know that humans have only been on this planet for 6,000 years...stupid scientists getting confused again...must be that satan bloke who goes round fiddling with all the evidence that humans have been on this planet longer than 6,000 years!.

http://www.sciencealert.com/nasa-can-t-explain-who-made-these-huge-8-000-year-old-glyphs-in-kazakhstan?.

back in 2007, a series of huge, mysterious geoglyphs were discovered in the grasslands, or steppes, of kazakhstan.

Island Man

Cool. This is what science is all about--being willing to revise one's beliefs as a result of new evidence.

In stark contrast to religions like Jehovah's Witnesses, who are all about denying evidence, tweaking facts, re-defining words and using foolish logic to maintain their false beliefs in the face of disconfirming evidence.

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Crazy bible logic

by OverlappingGeneralizations in

i was thinking the other day (i know, i know, bad dub, no thinking allowed!)...

did you ever notice the screwy logic that we are led to believe is the truth?

like ezekiel 33:8:.

Island Man

"When I say to someone wicked, ‘Wicked one, you will surely die!’ but you do not speak out to warn the wicked one to change his course, he will die as a wicked man because of his own error, but I will ask his blood back from you"

What is the principle upon which the one who failed to warn the wicked one, is held responsible for his death? Is it not the principle of not acting to help someone whose wellbeing is in danger? So this bible passage shows us that is immoral to do nothing to help someone who is in danger.

However, in the bible teach book, Watchtower argues that God is innocent of blame for allowing evil things to happen. They say there is a big difference between causing harm and allowing it to happen. Such reasoning is atrocious and contradicts the fundamental principle underpinning the scripture you quoted from Ezekiel.

A person who allows someone to suffer harm without doing anything to help them while having the power to help them is acting immorally. Therefore when the God of the bible sits by and allows all manner of atrocities to befall people when he has the power to stop it - he too is acting immorally. It is only logical. But theists can't admit this inconsistency.

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The massive gaping hole in Watchtower's understanding of Matthew 25:31-40

by Island Man in

(matthew 25:31-40) .

.when the son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne.

32 all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

Island Man

Really, my substantive point is that the sheep cannot be believers because believers would have no reason to ask Jesus in what sense they fed him and clothed him since they would already know the answer to this question being knowledgeable of the account in Matthew 25. Therefore the sheep must be non-christians unfamiliar with the bible passage in Matthew 25.

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Where are you from?

by BeautifulMind in

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friends

i know we are all anonymous for our own personal reasons, so i understand if you would rather not say.

but if you don't mind sharing that would be cool.

i currently live in georgia, usa.

Island Man

The Caribbean

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The massive gaping hole in Watchtower's understanding of Matthew 25:31-40

by Island Man in

(matthew 25:31-40) .

.when the son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne.

32 all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

Island Man

(Matthew 25:31-40) . . .“When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world. 35 For I became hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger and you received me hospitably; 36 naked and you clothed me. I fell sick and you looked after me. I was in prison and you visited me.’ 37 Then the righteous ones will answer him with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 In reply the King will say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

What's the gaping hole? The gaping hole is seen if you carefully analyze the words highlighted. Jesus was foretelling events that will happen at the final judgement circa Armageddon. When you carefully analyze the conversation Jesus has with these sheep it becomes apparent that they did not - will not - understand what he means when he will say to them that they fed him; gave him something to eat, drink; clothed him; etc.

But think about it: How could they not understand then if this conversation and Jesus' explanation of what he means was told in advance to his disciples and is recorded in the bible? Just about every christian worth his salt is familiar with this passage and Jesus' explanation of the sense in which the sheep feed him, clothe him, etc. Therefore, it is logical to conclude that the sheep must not be christian worshipers since all christians will invariably know what Jesus means when he will tell them that they fed him, seeing as he gave them advanced knowledge of this and it is recorded in the scriptures.

The sheep must therefore be non-christians who treated his followers favorably. This fact is confirmed by Jesus' words: "you did it to one of the least of these my brothers". By addressing the sheep with "you" while referring to his christian brothers as "these" it becomes obvious that Jesus brothers are not included in that group of sheep that Jesus is speaking to. Even if we grant Watchtower the idea of some christians having a lesser earthly hope, then these sheep cannot be these earthly hopers as they will know what Jesus means. Additionally, it will actually be very fitting for such ones to be called by Jesus as the least of his brothers on the basis that they are doing his father's will (which make them his brothers) and have the lesser hope of an earthly paradise (thus the least of his brothers). Thus the least of christ's brothers will actually be an apt term to refer to those of the earthly hope, and not the anointed.

It is apparently these non-christian sheep who will be alive on earth after Armageddon when the devil is abyssed - not christians. This will explain why there are still people on earth to be misled by Satan after the thousand years. Christians have "one hope" - the heavenly one. (Ephesians 4:4) Ignorant non christians who are righteously disposed and treat christians favorably, have the prospect of surviving Armageddon.

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Recent study links processed meats to cancer

by duc007az in

so a recent study says processed meats are just as dangerous as cigarettes when it comes to cancer.

the wtbs has had a long time stance that smoking is a df offense.

my question is if there's proof beyond doubt, why doesn't the wtbs make eating processed meats a df offense?.

Island Man

I knew about sodium nitrite being a carcinogen, years ago.